£30 goodybag, a closer look.

by handy giff-staffer gaffer on 15-11-2010 17:27 - last edited on 24-02-2011 17:22 by International Man of Mystery

Hi all,

 

As many of you know, on Friday I updated everyone on our plans in the run up to our first birthday and Christmas - One of the announcements was regarding the removal from sale of the £30 goodybag, which raised a number of concerns and questions.

 

First off I want to thank you all for your feedback. As always this is very much appreciated and we take what you think very seriously in all of the decisions that we make.

 

The are two simple reasons why we’re removing the £30 goodybag from sale. …

 

a.       It wasn’t very popular - less than 5% of members were buying it. We tried to make it more popular by reducing the price. This didn’t work.

 

b.      Unexpectedly high usage by a minority meant it was no longer affordable for giffgaff. Over time, if left un-checked, this would have made the business significantly more expensive to run  and hence undermined  the lower cost model we all want to sustain.

 

An example of the extremes of usage we’ve seen are the 4% of members on the goodybag, using an average of over 5000 and in a few cases in excess of  13000 minutes a month. Some of these members were losing giffgaff over £500 per month - and you can imagine what that did for the overall profitability of the £30 goodybag.

 

We hesitated to reveal details of the profitability of the product because of the difficulty of then continuing the discussion without revealing commercially confidential information that would be of use to a competitor. But I hope you can appreciate from the information we have now released that we had an urgent need to review the future of the product.

 

We realise we could have avoided some of the discussion around this had we shared this information upfront - and this is something that will inform how we make announcements in future. Please continue to send feedback and questions so that we can make sure we respond to all of your queries as soon as possible.

 

Another topic that was raised was consultation.

 

First of all I’d like to reiterate the commitment to consultation and that this remains one of the guiding principles of the business.

 

We felt we had discussed what “unlimited” meant with the community many times with the overwhelming opinion being that if it can’t remain unlimited without a fair usage policy then take it away. Combining this with the usage profile we were experiencing we felt that there weren’t many options for us to put to the community in the first place.

 

Although we have been doing a lot of planning and continue to plan for growth of involvement from the community, product development is one of the most difficult areas because of complexity, commercial confidentiality and the fact that we have to take into account not only the existing (vocal) community but also those members that remain silent and of course the prospective members we want to attract in future.

 

So the upshot of this experience is that we’re going to work on releasing the framework about how we’ll engage in future earlier than planned – our community manager, Vincent, will update this blog later in the week on this.

 

We had planned to start a consultation in the new year about a bigger bundle goodybag as we don’t have capacity to deliver anything else before Christmas – but now we’ve decided to start early.

 

So to start this off now, if you think a goodybag (with limited minutes) will be popular at a price point of around £25 why don’t you let us know?

Comments
by perola on 15-11-2010 17:36

Thank you. This is the constructive discussion we need. I won't buy it myself but I think it ought to be available.

by jabventure on 15-11-2010 17:38

Make it more expensive. Keep the minority. Keep the "truly unlimited" association alive!

by jamesdn on 15-11-2010 17:39

I think a £25 bag with a limited number of minutes - perhaps circa. 1000 would go down very well. There have been many suggestions on the 'ideas' board since last week's announcement that suggests it would be popular, and perhaps enough to keep a significantly large number of customers from leaving. 

by marcofstoke on 15-11-2010 17:42

A £25 Goodybag with limited minutes would be great , people who have been on the phone for over 7 hours a day, everyday of the month have ruined the £30 goodybag for the rest of us but a fair minutes limit would mean the abusers would be gone and the rest of us would be happy to stay.

by vanburen on 15-11-2010 17:42

Judging by the figures it does seem the £30 goody bag, as it stands, is unsustainable, how can anyone use 13000 minutes in a month?? That would average out to something like 7 hours of calls, everyday, for a month.

by crazylegs on 15-11-2010 17:48

My idea I posted on the idea's board was £25 Goodybag with 1500 minutes, Unlimited texts, Unlimited internet!

 

I think that would be the sweet spot for Giffgaff!

by alexb38 on 15-11-2010 17:48

This is absolutely absurd - "Unexpectedly high usage by a minority meant it was no longer affordable for giffgaff." Giffgaff promote the fact that unlimited truly means unlimited in their goodybags. This quote here shows that giffgaff had an expectation of how many minutes people were going to be using - why offer a product that is unlimited and advertise it as so when, if people take advantage of it, giffgaff will be unable to afford it.

 

It's absolutely ridiculous! Not only because of the fact giffgaff didn't think this through, but the fact that GG did not realise people would be making a *lot* of calls, especially ona  goodybag advertised as truly unlimited.

 

I had 100% confidence in giffgaff and their business plan until now. What's next? People start downloading gigabytes of data whilst on the £10 goodybag and then you stop offering unlimited data because it's unprofitable? Seriously, what do you expect?!

 

aB38

by purplegirl1989 on 15-11-2010 17:49

wow 1300 in a month! thats madness.... i could never manage that many....i tend to use more round xmas time but the rest of the year its pretty much the same..the odd occausion going over my allocated mins

by jack17938 on 15-11-2010 17:51

Looking at competitor monthly tariff pricing it looks like 900 minutes with the unlimited texts and 750Mb data costs £40.

 

So I am suggesting 900 minutes plus the uunlimited texts and data for £25 to £30 - meaning you can make a direct comparison of a £10 to £15 saving!

 

 

What about it?

by perola on 15-11-2010 17:53

Is business use permitted? It sounds like soeone has been running a call centre off their mobile. If they were not told they couldn't then they didn't do anything wrong.

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