What do you think stay or leave the eu

kate1028

@k89bpa - comparing the Referendum with rape is ludicrous, and I think your argument is rubbish as well. You may as well say that the Tories should never have got in at the General Election (even with help), because all those who didn’t vote at all, didn’t give their consent for the Tories to be in power.

On your basis, all Elections or Referenda are rubbish, and I stand by what I said - if you don’t vote, you DON’T COUNT. Be honest, you just didn’t like the result - and at the time neither did I, but after 2.5 years of listening to whingeing remainers, I’ve changed sides.

k89bpa

Oh do grow up @kate1028.

You asked a question, I answered it. End of story.

If you wanna have a conversation about consent and why it is important that the majority of those asked consent to the proposed change becoming actual change, great, lets do that.

I'm not engaging with the kind of bull**bleep** you have just spewed forth in your initial response though. That's childish and immature and seeking to distract and deflect from the actual issue into some personal nonsense.

As for your statement about those not speaking up not counting, do you apply that to all consent centric issues or just the ones which suit your particular agenda?

See, two can play that game.

acetech

@k89bpa wrote:

Oh do grow up @kate1028.
You asked a question, I answered it. End of story.
If you wanna have a conversation about consent and why it is important that the majority of those asked consent to the proposed change becoming actual change, great, lets do that.
I'm not engaging with the kind of bull**bleep** you have just spewed forth in your initial response though. That's childish and immature and seeking to distract and deflect from the actual issue into some personal nonsense.
As for your statement about those not speaking up not counting, do you apply that to all consent centric issues or just the ones which suit your particular agenda?

See, two can play that game.

😀

k89bpa

Yeah @acetech, it's hilarious that consent is being totally ignored by everyone.

And you wonder why I call people ignorant, lol

acetech

@k89bpa wrote:

Yeah @acetech, it's hilarious that consent is being totally ignored by everyone.
And you wonder why I call people ignorant, lol

And how many consented to staying, was it less? Oh yes, it was, wasn't it....

The only person spinning is you applying your ideals to how you think it should be, which has no correlation to how it actually is, was or should be.

I am of course refering to the case of the referendum, your comparison to rape is both ridiculous and quite disturbing and has no place in this discussion.

k89bpa

@acetech wrote:

And how many consented to staying, was it less? Oh yes, it was, wasn't it....

Are you ever going to stop with the spin and bull**bleep** to have an honest conversation about the situation? Yes or no?

Are ANY of you?

The referendum came about because some people wanted to make a change to our relationship with the European Union, that proposed change was put to the electorate for their endorsement and consent.

That's not spin, that's what actually happened.

17m gave their endorsement and consent to those who wished to make the change, 29m did not give their endorsement and consent to those who wished to make the change. Again, not spin but what actually happened.

As for my mentioning of rape it very much does have a place in this discussion because it is a discussion about consent and if the same principles that you and people of your ilk apply globally with regards to consent then it would be perfectly acceptable to have sex with someone without first obtaining their explicit consent so long as they don't explicitly deny their consent.

In fact, your entire argument and the argument of those of your ilk is that as long as people don't specifically deny consent then it is fine to impose your will and your desire onto them.

AND THAT IS NOT HOW CONSENT WORKS!

davelufc62

I voted to leave and because we are a democracy, then whatever anybody thinks is irrelevant because the country has voted to leave END OF! I Studied government and politics at O 'level (and passed) and to be honest I don't think we should have joined in the first place but also it had stopped being "a common market place" so I believe that the EU pretty much forced our hand and that's why I believe the majority voted to leave. We certainly won't be any worse off out of the EU beurocracy I don't think But I suppose time will tell.

acetech

@k89bpa wrote:

@acetech wrote:

And how many consented to staying, was it less? Oh yes, it was, wasn't it....

Are you ever going to stop with the spin and bull**bleep** to have an honest conversation about the situation? Yes or no?

Are ANY of you?

The referendum came about because some people wanted to make a change to our relationship with the European Union, that proposed change was put to the electorate for their endorsement and consent.

That's not spin, that's what actually happened.

17m gave their endorsement and consent to those who wished to make the change, 29m did not give their endorsement and consent to those who wished to make the change. Again, not spin but what actually happened.

As for my mentioning of rape it very much does have a place in this discussion because it is a discussion about consent and if the same principles that you and people of your ilk apply globally with regards to consent then it would be perfectly acceptable to have sex with someone without first obtaining their explicit consent so long as they don't explicitly deny their consent.

In fact, your entire argument and the argument of those of your ilk is that as long as people don't specifically deny consent then it is fine to impose your will and your desire onto them.

AND THAT IS NOT HOW CONSENT WORKS!

I'll repeat 😀

k89bpa

Exhibit #1: acetech the bastion of intellectual debate.

acetech

@k89bpa wrote:

Exhibit #1: acetech the bastion of intellectual debate.

Intellectual to you is obviously only those who agree with your ideal regarding how results of a referendum should be calculated and not how they are, that isn't debate that's your way or you sticking your fingers in your ears going "la, la, la I'm right your wrong, the system is wrong and I know best about everything and anyone else is an idiot" when you cannot even begin to fathom that for your argument to be true the opposite also has to be true regarding the referrendum. You claim that to not be true but have proven it to be so repeatedly.

You know I said in your other thread some are hardly worth bothering with because they think they already know and dismiss everything else.... Well.... Yeah

k89bpa

Dude, (@acetech), just literally **bleep** off.

I have attempted to engage in open, honest discussion with you and for reasons known only to yourself you have rejected each and every attempt so I now conclude that your only purpose in responding to me if to deliberately attempt to illicite an emotional response from me.

I'm not interested in such juvenile things so **bleep** off and play your games with someone else.

If you ever want an open, honest discussion and are willing to refrain from personal comments come find me, if not...

When you won't even admit that "the referendum came about because some people wanted to make a change to our relationship with the European Union, that proposed change was put to the electorate for their endorsement and consent.", is what happened without trying to claim "spin" there really isn't any point in you speaking to me on this matter.

It's totally delusional, (you object vehemently to the ignorance assertion and if I accept that, which I'm perfectly willing to do despite the lack of demonstration of acquired knowledge, it must be delusion). Even primary school kids who are familiar with the situation know that is what happened for goodness sake.

And if it's not ignorance or delusion then it is someone blatantly taking the **bleep**.

sarahaxon

@davelufc62 wrote:

I voted to leave and because we are a democracy, then whatever anybody thinks is irrelevant because the country has voted to leave END OF! I Studied government and politics at O 'level (and passed) and to be honest I don't think we should have joined in the first place but also it had stopped being "a common market place" so I believe that the EU pretty much forced our hand and that's why I believe the majority voted to leave. We certainly won't be any worse off out of the EU beurocracy I don't think But I suppose time will tell.

Hi Dave

As someone with an O level in politics, please explain the relationship between a representative Parliamentary democracy and an advisory referendum.

Thank you.

mrbond007

Advisory !

Did it say that on ballot papers or was it very clear it was leave or remain

Get over it

k89bpa

@mrbond007 wrote:

Advisory !

Did it say that on ballot papers...

Yes, it was advisory, (technically a pre-legislative referendum).

You are very welcome.

eileenusher

@davelufc62 answer

eileenusher

@mrbond007 a refrendum is only advisory it is not legally binding, unless the government make it so at the time, and guess what Cameron didn't.

goldenratio

@hayman3663 if it makes no difference to you, then vote stay. Thanks

richfc

the vote was leave so it should be leave