labour's / corbyn's paymasters start to ruin Christmas for MILLIONS

mikewhiteoliver

extreme_one Yes, definitely looks like an Uncle Albert moment 😆

kate1028

I think some of you may be getting confused - the 3 day week and the Winter of discontent were two different events happening at different times under different governments - the first in 1974, the second in 1979.

baconbutty

I want guards on trains and if it takes a strike to keep them then I support it.

nerrin

So let me get this straight - the current dispute and the 3 day week (Tory governments) were Labour's fault and the Winter of Discontent (Labour government) was also Labour's fault. This is pure genius

pete2009

Feel for all those who rely on the trains.
Massive fares and a rubbish service.

123kingarthur

I can remember life under Labour too I felt they enjoyed making things worse for us all

baconbutty

123kingarthur Yeah the creation of the NHS and building 150k council houses a year after the second world war made things worse for us all 🙄 Don't you want guards on trains now ?

techiebloke

I understand why the man or woman on the ground feels they have little choice but unfortunately striking these days tends to just force employers to work around the problem and ultimately the jobs still go/the policy gets imposed anyway (I've both seen this happen and been subject to it myself though I have never withdrawn my labour because of the above).

Regarding this policy about guards (who should be on trains so the driver isn't distracted) it will probably come full circle but unfortunately something bad will have to happen followed by a public enquiry etc before it does.

tradertall

This thread doesn't seem to be going the way the OP expected?

kenralph

allan1954
Oh dear oh dear oh dear..
You cannot bankrupt a country.

On another note
Train drivers and guards go on strike because the train owners want to put the onus of the driver to make sure all doors are secure, no one is caught on the inside, or the outside, and it's all good to go.
I don't suppose many of you remember 10 people getting on a bus in a few seconds, so the bus could drive away and the conductor takes your tickets. You'll all know about standing in line while the people in front of you struggle for change while hanging onto their children.
Trains, like buses, ought to have two operators, a driver and a guard. The train owners will save money but you'll not notice an iota of difference, apart from delays and probable injuries.
I love the way that Conservative supporters STILL blame Labour for something that's happening ten years into their watch🤣😂🤣

D+
Must try harder

techiebloke

kenralph And if Labour was in power, they'd blame the conservatives of course.

Whoever occupies the Opposition benches has a duty to anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_(United_Kingdom)

snenklehen

extreme_one seems you didn't read my reply where I referred to the oil crisis of 73/74

Cilla Black moment

extreme_one

snenklehen Yes I did, but I was referring to your reference to the Three Day Week.

snenklehen It sounded fantastic, 3 month wait to bury the dead, electricity going off for hours at a time, the 3 day week, no public transport, no heating, shortage of food.

caro120

piethorne

rotten when people want to travel and see family over xmas season. rotten for pollution levels. rotten that rail services haven't sorted this, has been going on for years - what action is minister of transport taking, they are meant to offer a service and if can't negotiate and ensure safe working conditions for their staff then maybe they unfit to run things. Sure many commuters would agree..

Im sick of the deterioration since privatisation.. public money was spent doing up stations, they all had a repaint this way and now many years later are a scruffy mess with machines replacing counter staff, half the time these don't work properly with the touch screens. there's nobody around can answer questions about travel.. they waste money on barriers and then let people jump over fences to avoid paying for a ticket and sometimes barriers are left open anyway if no staff to monitor them when they go wrong...

having said that I do appreciate the flowers planted at stations and some are a picture, lewes springs to mind, has a garden along back of platform with all sorts of beautiful plantings sponsored by local businesses - they got organised to do that so why don't they all. our local one haven't even got loos some of time cos converted from sewage system to cess pit and it fills then they got to get it emptied and close in mean time until someone can come and do it, what a stupid idea eh?

still waiting for refund on journey over 2 weeks ago now.. last time think gave it a month then had to go to ombudsman...

nefarius

I remember the fuel shortage extreme_one
It was a global issue. I was in NZ at the time and everyone had a carless day. You had a windscreen sticker with a day written on it. You couldn't drive on the that day.
As I said, it was global. Some here are too young to remember it, obviously.

Terrible memories!

snenklehen

extreme_one One last time, as it's not difficult to grasp. I am not referring to the 3 day week of the 73/74 oil crisis, but the later 3 day week of the strikes during the winter of discontent.

I really don't know how it could be any clearer to be honest. One major external factors (arab oil crisis) one home grown problem half a decade apart.

caro120

extreme_one

I was kid in 70's, just about remember power cuts and we just had candles to hand. I think you do need stuff available gas and leccy powered as alternative for heating/ cooking.

Think just had early nite when light went off..

I wasn't aware of wait to bury dead, wonder where they stored all those bodies... 3 months sounds like stretching it a bit.. will ask hubs, he remembers more of it. He has mentioned pubs by candlelight - beer was on hand pump so still worked but leccy ones wouldn't now!

I don't remember parents being put out or worried by things. Just went with the flow.. we never had much so didn't expect much. always keep some tins in so don't starve.. didn't have a freezer so food didn't particularly spoil, it was so cold we just put food in larder with mesh window to the garden lol.

have heard of 3 day week but not sure why that happened.. were they conserving energy, did it just tie in with transport or energy problems. did people get paid for 5 days but just went in for 3 cos wasn't their fault.. these days might work from home or make the hours up when it was practicable..

expect there were fuel shortages, can't really remember! we didn't have a car so wouldn't be so aware..

nefarius

swamppig 10 years of Tories in power, and yet if a strike happens, it's somehow "Corbyn's Britain". Some of you have a serious case of Corbyn derangement syndrome. Seek help.

Nothing to add to this. It's pin point accurate. Pure derangement syndrome.
It's all the fault of a government long since dead.
Nuff said.

catweazle1961

snenklehen Spot on

standardbearer

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiKl5-Gh5nmAhVWUBUIHcmvAMYQFjABegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3J91Kf-XspjTyz1gfIpnG6

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiKl5-Gh5nmAhVWUBUIHcmvAMYQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3SHE1cyQ7ya216CRkX5quv

Winter of discontent and the 3 day week.

I believe it is a duty of care that trains should have guards. The responsibility should not just be on the driver especially in an emergency. .
Regarding emergencies you take out house and buildinginsurance but hope it never happens.
Thus for guards on trains too.
But as far as striking at xmas pretty devious and uncalled for.
Too much humbug and poppycock..

andyslc

@standardbearer if they only took action at quiet periods the impact on the employer would be drastically reduced and would have no bargaining power, an empty threat.

Yes it’s inconvenient but then it’s not as inconvenient as losing your job. People are inherently selfish though when it comes to looking at the bigger picture,

SWR seem to have been completely unreasonable in this case If what the RMT says is correct ie they have a cost free proposal to keep guards as guards and drivers as drivers. Tends to make me think that the accusation that its SWRs plan to introduce cuts on the sly is correct,

standardbearer

andyslc
Andy there are plenty of other days of the year to make a point and cause the most disruption but not xmas im afraid.
Cant go along with that.
In fact there are no quiet periods at all in the year whilst commuters are using trains.

In reality in the eyes of the union its about jobs .
In my eyes its about safety.

andyslc

standardbearer so they should wait until the changes are introduced and it’s too late to take action? Isn’t the loss of guard jobs about safety as well as jobs? No guards less safety.