These people believe in God?

davidvarley

msmon55
I agree nothing to do with God some Christians are Gay or bisexual.
Matthew vines is one example God and the gay Christian book he brought out and he refutes homophobic abuse people use the bible for he's spent years researching and studying the Bible and its not what anti gay Christians teach.

nefarius

davidvarley This article is nothing to do with Christianity but the scribblings about gay people in the Christian Bible are nothing to rejoice about though.

Is this it? 👇

An abomination and put to death? Am I misinterpretating it?

davidvarley

nefarius
I do not support homophobic behaviour
And no religion should take there holy books out of context to bully people with.
And there is nothing wrong with having different beliefs why does everyone need to be clones who all believe the same things variety is the spice of life.
I happen to be a gay Christian myself.
I do not mock people for having different beliefs as that's uncivilised and childish.

davidvarley

davidvarley
And I get angry with churches that use the bible to abuse people with and I no what am talking about as I went through abuse from churches myself and its not nice I can tell you.

caro120

davidvarley

while back was chatting to chap abused thru church
nother lady was dyslexic and at convent school, got caned all the time cos they thought she being lazy

wonder sometimes what my mother went thru, she would never say but I wouldn't be surprised if summat happened

claire1uk

They got away lightly with that sentence, it should have been longer.
You can't be allowed to treat fellow human beings in such a deplorable way. It really makes me angry when I see news like that.
The perpetrators have been brainwashed and Religion is to often used to excuse such behaviour, but there is no excuse on earth to justify that treatment.

Now, if their God dislikes someone just because of their chosen sexuality, I hope their God has the same views on people who treat others disgracefully.
I hope they get their Karma.

nefarius

msmon55 I didn't say it had anything to do with God. You know I don't believe in God. But I assume they believe in God?

msmon55

nefarius you posed question: these people believe in God? So I responded: it has nothing to do with God and all to do with them being nasty oiks.

nefarius

frenchielove Believe in God? I don't think so

Muslims that don't believe in God?

eileenusher

nefarius no you've got it correct, but that's the bible these people follow the Quran I do believe there's similar in that tho, only difference most Christians have adapted the Bible and modernised it, the Quran however is still in its ancient glory there's no new or old testament either, the old testament is probably closer like the Quran than the new tho.

msmon55

nefarius it's not for humans to carry out any punishments God says anyone will receive. If God wants it He will be the only one to undertake it. He says Vengeance is mine, so no one else must try to take vengeance. What those lads did was an act of vengeance... Not for anything done to them, but what they kidded themselves (and made the excuse) of avenging God for transgressions of God's laws. God also says he will forgive any transgression if repentant and ask for forgiveness. That's also why no one should take it upon selves to put to death any sinners (or perceived sinners) or we become sinners ourselves and risk God's wrath. Even worse if we commit sins in the name of God.

davidvarley

nefarius
I have researched this is to do with. Holiness codes does not apply to genuine gay people the bible never mentioned homosexuality in original form was a false interpretation that added that the original said effeminate that did not mean camp gay men it meant people with weak morals.
You want to find out the truth go to this website www.gaychristian101.com.
They explain all the so called clobber passages.

caro120

nefarius

they sound very damaged to me...

nefarius

msmon55 They do believe in God.

msmon55

nefarius they may think they believe in God, their actions would show otherwise.

nefarius

msmon55 They definitely believe in God. I think they also believe they are carrying out God's work 😩

msmon55

nefarius if one really believes in God, they would know they don't have the right to acts of vengeance.

davidvarley

nefarius
Even if that's true the Bible proves that false it says in the end times some people will think putting people to death is what God wants when it's opposite to that they are doing devil's work not God's.
Plus not everyone who makes out they are a Christian is a Christian you will no them by their fruit eg actions.
Yes we can sometimes do things that are wrong but that's cause we are in perfect humans.

blackmack

They don't believe in God. No one believes in God. It's always a lie. Always.

davidvarley

blackmack sorry but you are 100%wrong the Bible says everyone knows God exists but they don't like to admit it and supress the truth.

eileenusher

nefarius once again sexual attacks of sorts, and to think these people pray to God (Allah) up to 3 times a day, my thoughts are if there was a god he'd tell them your disgusting, horrible creatures and you won't be going to heaven not alone get the 100 virgins or whatever they think they get.

davidvarley

eileenusher
The Bible has been preserved for years the Quaran was ripped up then lots of meaning lost that's never happened to Bible plus research how Islam was created by Catholic pope they eventually fell out with pope and that's how Muhammad came about.
Atheists think they know all about religion and sadly they no hardly anything.
They only no bits they learn at schools and that's not much I never learned much at school about religion or Christianity it was when I became a Christian I learnt that what is taught at schools about Christianity is far from how things really are.
Think about it they did not spend much time on one religion as they had to teach other religions to so had to squeeze more religions in and other subjects were taught more.

tibbsyboo

msmon55 EXACTLY! Also these people went out of their way to look for victims to assault and degrade, it's not like the victims went to the perpetrators homes and performed lude acts in front of their families, and the perpetrators then felt the need for vengeance, by getting these gay men naked and assaulting them..........!? Religion or personal beliefs does not entitle anybody to attack anyone else for being different.

davidvarley

msmon55
Yes you are 100% right true followers of religion are not into murder any that murder are not true followers eg one of ten commandments thy shall not kill is what Jews and Christians are supposed to listen to if they ignore that and murder they are committing a major sin.

nefarius

davidvarley Why does God let the Devil do stuff?
I don't believe in God but I've seen the Devil.