Another general Election rant (sorry!)

sooze86

I hate ranting on Facebook, because well I'm in a fairly safe "bubble" of similar minded people and I'm not going to lie, a lot more people know a lot more about politics than I do!
Here I feel more anonymity and I've been thinking a bit, so don't read on if you're already bored! 😅

I work in a public sector job, one that has been hit by cuts, lots of cuts, but I find my colleagues to be strongly minded about being opposite to me - for a party I view as being responsible for these cuts.
I know people are strong minded and defensive about voting choices, but to me some just make no sense!
I'm not going to argue, as whats done is done, it's just good to hear views outside of my bubble. Arguing with someone with fixed political views is like arguing with a bouncer... But I don't understand why you'd vote for a party knowing and seeing all the cuts and vulnerable adults left at risk first hand? Knowing your job might be next?

Have I watched a different election to everyone else, or is the vote you make now more like a music genre or a football team - you support it because your family does, and you like them so they must be right?
That's my latest theory anyway!

caro120

sooze86

I guess they voted for them cos wanted brexit sorted. there will be some backlash if after another 4 years this isn't sorted tho as hubs says repurcussions will go on longer than that. It's a bit like menopause, someone said to me 10 years coming on, 10 years experiencing it and another 10 years to fully come out of it (think exaggerating a bit).

membership of EEC started with common market and just mushroomed from there as far as I'm aware.. so has been coming on for years....

there'll be pros and cons with it all. some people will end up better off and others worse off.. a wise person also told me if there are shortages of some products in shops we will have to be more flexible in what we eat but heck can always grow bits and bobs. of course the people with big gardens will be at an advantage, maybe apple scrumping will be hitting the headlines?

we had so much fruit on 3 trees were always giving the stuff away, you can only eat so much jam...

gvmhb

sooze86 although I'm not a Labour or Corbyn supporter I do to some extent agree with your feelings.

Cutting services just so you can cut taxes seems like the wrong approach to me. 😰

zakrs

Because this vote was about Brexit (get Brexit done). Unfortunately with this kind of majority they can and do whatever they want. No doubt we'll pay for it heavily.

sooze86

zakrs I'm sure we will, I'm just trying to make sense of it I think (and failing)! Dissapointed with the result myself as you could probably tell, but we'll just get on with it, or quickly emigrate!

extreme_one

zakrs Because this vote was about Brexit (get Brexit done).

Agreed.

Hence why staunchly Labour areas now have Tory MPs.

And since the Tories started Brexit, its all played rather nicely into their hands.

zakrs

extreme_one sadly it also means that my anti brexit agruements are obsolete.

zakrs

People just don't know what or who they are voting for. They fall for slogans but when it comes to it they do not read the...small print. The link below is the best example of that. Read the last point about immigration.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50748393

People voted for Brexit to reduce immigration from EU and Boris responded. He will introduce Australian system. Wow but it won't apply to...hotel and construction workers and so on.

james67906

I agree I also work in the Public sector and have seen the savage cuts, along with Pension changes which have directly cost me I would suggest circa 40-50k and yet my colleagues who have all suffered the same all went out and voted Conservative despite what happened.

Makes zero sense to me.

andyxhill

I'd suggest you would be best asking individuals 1:1 how they arrived at a decision. That is what Labour need to do , they need to understand why votes have been lost.

bigdaddy0714

Don’t forget people labour caused the mess in the first place which then conservative had to try and sort. Remember the note that was handed to David Cameron sorry there’s no money 😁 then people try to blame a government that had no option but to make cuts. And as for brexit again a labour thing caused by spending everything and given certain politicians a great big reason to blame Europe. And then labour allowed a terrorist sympathiser and basically a traitor and wet blanket and not to forget about the Jewish community that he basically spat on. But it seems anyone that voted labour forget all this and personally I’m glad as you done every sane voter a favour. SO THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SEE YOU AGAIN IN 5 Years 👍

sooze86

bigdaddy0714 but did they try and sort it? Nothings sorted yet, they've only seemingly made things worse, previous years I've not been too bothered about who to vote for because they seemed all the same, at least Corbyn seemed different (I'm sure no one can disagree. If tories haven't sorted out "labors" mess up by now, surely it wouldn't be a bad thing to give them a try again to see if they can clean up a bit? Especially with the manifesto promises made, they sounded much better than the tories, imo.

andath

bigdaddy0714 Don’t forget people labour caused the mess in the first place which then conservative had to try and sort.

I say, I say, I say,

How long can you legitimately blame a previous government for a nation's ills?

Ten years? Fifteen?

nefarius

bigdaddy0714 Don’t forget people labour caused the mess in the first place which then conservative had to try and sort.

Between 2005 and 2010 Labour added 500 billion to the national debt.
The Conservatives introduced austerity measures and ended up adding over 800 billion, on top of that, in 9 years. Lol!

michaelwelsh

👏👏👏

techiebloke

andath

andath I say, I say, I say,

How long can you legitimately blame a previous government for a nation's ills?

Ten years? Fifteen?

As long as is convenient to serve your political ends and cover up your own efforts to divert as much public cash into your own (offshore of course) bank accounts and those of your mates/cronies/donors as possible.

All are guilty, the only difference is how much they've managed to fleece us for.

gvmhb

andath say, I say, I say,

How long can you legitimately blame a previous government for a nation's ills?

Ten years? Fifteen?

As long as it takes to rectify the damage.
In this case that's a long way off yet 😠

Unfortunately the Tories have not gone the right way about solving it, although some of the damage is due to being in the EU so that possibly can be said to be a step in the right direction.

It's all still a horrible mess though and we're not really any closer to being through 👿

bigdaddy0714

nefarius its called interest my friend 😜

standardbearer

Good old George said austerity would be over by 2015 before he did a runner to the evening standard.
However leavers were told they did not know what they were voting for. So over the last 3 years Citizens have received lots of information as to why we should remain before this brexit election.
So with all this information the vote still goes to brexit,
I think a lot of voters did not want corbyn as prime minister or dianne abbott as home secretary. Now that would have been scary with our dianne.
Even now some are telling voters they do not know what they are voting for.
The conservatives really have to thank those labour voters in the midlands and north for backing them.

nefarius

standardbearer Even now some are telling voters they do not know what they are voting for.

Who? Saying that - the vote was to elect a government, not Brexit.

kenralph

Do you really think that by giving you the vote you could change something?
If it could, you wouldn't be given it.

Or something along those lines

pete2009

I was always told not to spend what you haven't got and it's something I have stuck to.
All governments spend what they haven't got but ultimately it is us the public that pay for it.
It's unsustainable to keep allowing thousands of people to come to the UK and expect the tax payers to keep them and allowing them free access to the NHS as is now.
The Labour party only had a plan to make this much much worse.
Only option was the Conservative party. They are not perfect in anyway but will probably cost the least in the long run.

mancchester

pete2009
Came to the same conclusion myself. The money wasn't there for labours proposals. Boris can now work with the people to rejoin the UK back together, meaning that in 5 years he will stay in power

nefarius

bigdaddy0714 its called "interesting" my friend.

Fixed it for you.

bigdaddy0714

nefarius poxy iPad auto correct 😂😂😂😂😂😂