Who should be the next Labour Leader?

baconbutty

jaymailsays Anti brexit ? I thought we'd be out by Jan the 31st 2020 or has that been put back 5 years ?

caro120

my response to this still updating, was nick clegg trying to remember the name of was with cameron... hubs guessed vince cable, who is that??

claudiodiviziaa

Why is it a problem being anti-brexit?

1) He/she must be a remainer - unlike Corbyn - exactly because brexit is NOT done: we need to keep the PM under control during negotiations with the EU which will last many YEARS starting from end of January, in order to get the second best possible deal (i.e. close alignment with the EU, CU, CM, ...) now that the best possible deal (the one we already had as EU members) is gone;

2) He/she must be electable;

We could do with Keir Starmer on both accounts.

jaymailsays

claudiodiviziaa We could do with Keir Starmer on both accounts.

That would be Millionaire Sir Keir Starmer you support?

With around 200 Labour MP,s he/they have no influence on the Brexit Agenda, the Prime Minister alone, will decide, it may even be a no deal Brexit, if the EU do not treat him with respect.

Some of the people named aren't even IN the Labour party. Luciana Berger???

The ant-Semetic wing of the Labour Party hounded her out. She can return anytime she likes. The problem was/is Corbyn was/is a threat to her safety. He is a bigot who cohorts with known supporters of terrorism.

eileenusher

claudiodiviziaa oh dear god he's opposite of what Labour is actually meant to stand for.

boblog

pete2009 Seeing as they failed to get elected we'll never know if they were false promises. Conservatives on the other hand, prepare to be disappointed by theirs...

busman1

i bet they vote in another left wing type again 😂 cos that worked well last time

nefarius

busman1 Labour is left wing 🤔

eileenusher

nefarius yes and no left wing politically but there's right left, middle ground and loony left the latter is corbyn and his nut jobs at momentum they need a middle grounder but won't get one because the loony left have taken over.

kenralph

nefarius
Well, just left of centre... Apart from the last bunch of idiots.

tonicurtis1967

sarahaxon

jaymailsays That's a completely nutty list you've linked to. Some of the people named aren't even IN the Labour party. Luciana Berger???
Keir Starmer would be a good choice, as he's not an ideologue.

claudiodiviziaa

eileenusher

eileenusher oh dear god he's opposite of what Labour is actually meant to stand for.

By watching the video that jaymailsays posted, it doesn't seem to me that he's the opposite of what Labour is meant to be. He's talking about taxing the rich a bit more and funding public services. Very Labour if you ask me.

But even if he was, even Johnson is the opposite of what workers in poorest areas of the country are supposed to vote for, yet he won.

By the way, I liked Corbyn's social programme, but there's no point in being left-wing if that means allowing Tories to win and force brexit and their right-wing policies on us.

Blair did better than Corbyn as far as getting votes is concerned. And - Iraq war apart - was a lot better than a Tories' government.

claudiodiviziaa

jaymailsays "With around 200 Labour MP,s he/they have no influence on the Brexit Agenda"

Only if one presumes that the Tories know what Brexit means.
Soon the real negotiations with the EU will start and Tories will divide into brino, soft brexit, hard brexit, no deal again.
And since Johnson is more interested in his own career than in any specific kind of brexit he may well need and accept the opposition's help in passing a soft brexit against the ERG.
Tories' candidates all over the political spectrum had to fake loyalty to Johnson for selection, but will soon emerge from their sleep.
Brexit is NOT done, it's just starting now.

nefarius

Respect has to be earned so that's that dead!

jaymailsays

caro120 is corby def leaving then, has anyone asked him?

Yes & Yes! Sometime in the next few months. As soon as he chooses the next leader, one that will fail even worse than he did.

caro120

jaymailsays

love or hate him or somewhere in middle, he had the courage to stand and put up with flak which he knew was coming. Can't doubt his experience in the field. It would wear me out in minutes I think.

Right beddie time, nite nite, silly hours again🙂

nefarius

jaymailsays As soon as he chooses the next leader, one that will fail even worse than he did.

How do you know that if you don't know who it is yet? Sounds highly unlikely you'd know?

jaymailsays

caro120 he had the courage to stand and put up with flak

Well we all put up with flak, except unlike Corbyn we don't get paid £143,000+ pa plus Govt. car and driver, plus expenses.

Taxpayers have funded his staggering £3million wealth, while he supposedly feels so much sympathy for the lower paid, he wanted to abolish the marriage allowance and spend public money recklessly.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1206442/jeremy-corbyn-net-worth-salary-labour-party-election-tv-debate-itv

eileenusher

nefarius actually he's not far wrong, the loony left have a hold on the party thanks to Milliband who changed membership and voting rules which aloud momentum supporters to join and vote which got corbyn elected, they have since infilatred the National Executive committee and The Select Committee so there's no chance of a moderate being elected, it'll be who the loony left want which will be another left winger.

eileenusher

jaymailsays it's his salary as an mp, then his salary as party leader added on, I notice you don't mention the ridiculous amount we pay the Bufoon Boris yes he's just as much as a Bufoon as corbyn just in different ways, don't like either of them, neither should of got as far as they have in politics, Johnsons being put there by his far right supporters, Corbyns being put there by his loony left supporters (momentum)
Neither really represent the views of the average person, but I bet you corbyns more likely to know the price of a loaf of Bread than Boris he's a little more only a little tho more less silver spoon than Boris.

pw6049

jaymailsays and he is due a £1.6m pension when he retires per year

caro120

jaymailsays

3 million is probably nothing compared with what some of them (worldwide) own

property, businesses, shares and who knows

I think when somebody goes into public light and gets blamed they need insurance to protect themselves, they must always need security wherever they go and will never have a peaceful life. If they have a conscience they have to live with the decisions they've made. We affect a number of people as we travel through life but they impact on millions really just in this country alone. Could make or break lives. I couldn't do that.

I like my little world but then if at bottom of pecking order there are plenty above you that can harm. I don't know what the answer is - you either go into politics to try to make change in a fairly poor system, not just dealing with situations in this country but worldwide, it's a bit daunting.

Curious about additional expenses of ?64k, wonder what that covers? Don't forget the papers rely on sensationalism to make sales and reports can be skewed. How do we have access to a breakdown of that figure? Spose could always write to the papers to find out. Maybe train and get a job in the press to find out what really going on - but then there is still control about what printed.

Knowledge is a bit like pandoras box I reckon and don't forget what happened to Eve.

nefarius

JEREMY CORBYN and Boris Johnson will face each other, for the final time, during the election campaign tonight. Here’s how much the Leader, of the Opposition, earns but we won't mention Boris Johnson's. Lol! (I've put punctuation in it, so it makes sense)

eileenusher

formulaone really so he can change even more rules then resign and leave the party in the hands of the loony left, oh hang on he allready did that one.

jaymailsays

eileenusher
Can't disagree with you. I don't think Mayor Andy Burnham will be the next leader, perhaps the one after that in a year or two or more. However he is not eligible, as he is not a sitting MP.

The Tories would be scared of Burnham, less scared of Mayor
Sadiq Khan Mayor of London who will also be available before the next General Election in 2024, if a vacant seat crops up. Incidentally Labour will lose a third of its funding from central funds. Funding is based on how many MP,s your Party has. Therefore the huge fall will further diminish Labour's standing.

I'm hearing on the grapevine the Tories could put forward a motion of 'No Confidence' in the current Leader of the Opposition. If passed, Corbyn would lose the title and extra salary. He would remain an MP, just not on the Front Bench.

eileenusher Johnsons being put there by his far right supporters,

Not so!
Boris was elected by the whole Tory Party because he's a winner, twice as London Mayor (a Labour City) and now as PM, he has attracted Labour votes from Mining and Steel working families of many generations past.

Voters like him, that is why Boris got 45% share of the vote. Labour got 32.2% and the poorly led SNP got just 3.9% of the vote.

nefarius

eileenusher A left winger? So not a right winger then? In a left wing party?
There's no right left. There's left and centre left.
I prefer Green anyway so not bothered.