Petition against school opening

varun1234

@steeleb after seeing ur thread I looked up kn petitions and actually found loads of them here are a few check out the website for me. Please everyone sign I have 4 brothers who are asthmatic and it's not fair for children to be thrown into school jus so tjay parents can go work and save the economy they have been out of school already we have already made huge sacrifices for this lockdown and to jus move too quickly and ruin all our effort is jus a silly thing to do. http://chng.it/phdJgDWnVT
http://chng.it/fsT8mxqJvc
http://chng.it/VcpSWzcwmD
http://chng.it/BRYz7Lsmgt

andyslc

varun1234 I have signed the petition in the last link. Two reasons:

1) This petition has the most signatures and the most chance of being heard. The creator is proactive and has her MP on the Ed Secs case

2) It’s about giving parents the choice if to keep their kids at home and not facing legal consequences if they choose to do so. For parents of kids with illnesses this seems a fair and balanced approach and would actually make it easier for schools by reducing pupil numbers slightly.

frenchielove

varun1234 signed the last one as I think parents should be given a choice. Watching the news yesterday and one teacher said, it is ridiculous, there is no way we can keep everything clean, so many pupils touching things we would have to employ cleaners to go round all day, not feasible

antho16293

varun1234 young classes will be hard to monitor and keep clean.. you can't tell the young not to touch things or keep away from each other.. so trying times

starbuck35

varun1234 parents should make a stand and say no till they can do it safely which will never happen

basil1921

varun1234 Why have a petition? Surely if teachers believe it is too soon they won't start work and those parents who don't think their children should return to school won't send them. What is a petition supposed to do?

acetech

varun1234
andyslc
frenchielove
tazzy19

My daughter's school have already said that parents won't be penalised if they don't want to send their kids.

So seemingly nothing needs changing regarding petition link number 4 (rendering it pointless), perhaps just more clarity.

This was updated on my daughter's school Facebook page last week

Good Evening parents,

In order for me to begin to make plans to safely get all children back into school. Could I ask all parents who have children in reception, year 1 and year 6 to please complete the attached google form. This isn’t any form of commitment, it would just be useful to have a rough estimate of how many pupils we would be expecting in.

The government has issued guidance tonight, explaining that children in these year groups who do not attend schools would not be fined.

Thanks

Like I've been saying since, spread the message, not the virus!

antonio75

varun1234 it should be a parent's decision.. if my children was still at school then i wouldnt be sending them

mrbond007

varun1234
But vulnerable kids.are not expected.to return I heard

k1300gt

varun1234 Down in South Devon where I live the local beaches are absolutely full of families failing to observe social distancing. These families I suspect are the same ones who are saying that it is not safe to go to work or open schools but are happy to ignore advice when it suits them.

caro120

varun1234

signed it but I don't think these things make much difference - they never listen to the public and don't care about what we want!...

at least when do get called to account it registers public opinion that they ignored.

I can imagine other countries won't want us visiting cos we not handled this situation well at all and maybe they won't want to come here?

sabah16184

varun1234
I thubk the parents and guardian of the child shall speak once and once only because how much can they actually keep the school clean especially when there isn’t enough care takers there the classrooms corridors doors toilets and not only 1 floor is there depending on which school there’s 3/4 floors so bit of a tricky situation 😖

suzydod

varun1234 it is a choice they have said no fines plenty are keeping kids as home. I’m sending mine and am in the minority only 4 going back in one of my sons class

tess_yvonne

varun1234 way to early to be opening schools. Deffo going to sign

123kingarthur

varun1234 thank you I feel strongly about this so I will sign

johnr94160

Your right it’s all about money , it’s what makes world go round . They will sacrifice anything to keep the money flowing , they don’t want change . Schools should remain closed but they won’t .🏴‍☠️💴🏴‍☠️

sweetpotato97

johnr94160 yup

tazzy19

andyslc
I seem to remember one of the daily updates suggested parents would NOT be penalised if they didn't send children to school if they're concerned about Covid.

Reasoning behind the return to school
BBC link
Children are not the "primary drivers" of the coronavirus in schools, according to a study the government is analysing.

The paper by the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance focused on Covid-19 cases in schools in New South Wales, Australia's most populous state.

"Children are not the primary drivers of Covid-19 spread in schools or in the community," the report states.
More
New South Wales report(pdf)
BEEB Are children at risk and do they spread it?

varun1234

frenchielove yes exactly what the government is asking of schools is impossible

123kingarthur

frenchielove that is a good point I had not thought of

varun1234

antho16293 exactly they wont understand

andyslc

tazzy19 encouraging study though I do think we need to keep in mind that Australia has had far fewer cases and deaths. The BMA has also voiced concerns. I am unconvinced that 4 and 5 yr olds will suffer greatly in terms of education by missing another two months. Most European countries don’t start schooling until age 6.

varun1234

tazzy19 they say this but let's all be honest half of what comes out the governdmtns mouth is all bs okay it may not be as likely but there is a chance shown by the few young people who have died plus those are only what we know of it's not like they would tell us if there is more. Plus teachers are at risk and although children might not b affected themselves they can pass it on to others and seeing the news the r rate is going up again so what do you think will happen when they go to school

eileenusher

tazzy19 maybe not, but once again in the whole of southern Australia there's less population than just England in a land mass nearly 4 times larger than the UK note the whole of southern Australia not just NSW, how they can compare that to the UK is ridiculous, us Australia have fared far better than us partly due to that and due to the fact they shut the country down and brought in social distancing before it became a crisis there, unlike our government.

varun1234

starbuck35 yes i agree

piethorne

Yes, keep all kids out of school indefinitely. After all, we'll be needing unqualified, low skilled labourers for fruit picking, street sweeping, toilet cleaning etc in the coming years. This is an unparalleled opportunity.

EDIT:- By creating just one generation of the uneducated and almost unemployable, we can have an army of cheap labour that we can utilise for thirty to forty years. It will also reduce the competition for high end jobs. Considering that we are introducing a points based immigration system very soon, the timing couldn't be better 👍

varun1234

piethorne I understand what you are saying I myself have been taken out of education no idea what's going to happen next all of my exams cancelled I was so upset the government just left us in the dark and I would cry sooo much but then everyone is in the same situation. I think that everyone should be held back a year it would make sense to

flumina

Children, if they get covid at all, are likely to get a mild dose of it. The reason they were taken out of schools was because they might spread the illness to the rest of the population.

varun1234

flumina yes and they still will spread it

varun1234

andyslc yes exactly the people that needed to go is those doing GCSE and those completing A levels I am in such a difficult position now because I had decided to do an apprenticeship now without school its like I've lost that support you have to do everything yourself. I feel like I haven't earned my grades so ive just decided to take a gap year

varun1234

basil1921 teachers will do whatever the government tells them to a petition gives the parents a voice

techiebloke

Some here are missing the point, it's not about the kids themselves in the main but whether they can act as carriers and pass it to the teachers.

varun1234

techiebloke yes exactly and pass it to teachers who then have to go home and probably have a family of their own

varun1234

acetech yes but not all schools are like my brothers they have made my dad fill on a questionnaire at the moment so we will see what happens but even if they do I still dont think it is safe to do so a second wave is definitely pending those who do probably feel obliged to so they can go back to work or maybe they just cant cope

johnr94160

mrbond007 Nobody in the government makes any sense , deputy health minister said we lucky to have only 35000 thousand deaths today . Mans a mug of the worst order , all they are interested in is back to work to earn them and there pals lots of doss 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰they never get enough .🏴‍☠️

varun1234

mrbond007 but there are still kids who aren't vulnerable who will pass the virus this is not just about the children it's about the teachers and their families too and the fact that the government is asking them to social distance which is impossible

varun1234

johnr94160 yes couldn't have said it better it's like they basically see the deaths as collateral damage compared to other countries such as Australia it is shocking in my opinion the government let this happen. For example those who have died in care homes the government now no longer has the burden of paying their pension I'm not saying that's what they intended but it was an obvious risk that they failed to act upon and hid it by only including hospital deaths which was not announced until later so they basically lied