Non mobile 07 numbers

zedingrove

Anyone here who is up on this? Apparently there are numbers starting with 07 but are not classified as mobile numbers as such you will be charged 20p per call/text as not included in your minutes and texts. And here is the list.... Non-mobile 07 numbers, for detailed listing

074060, 074061, 074062, 074063, 074064, 074065, 074066, 074068, 074069, 074171, 074172, 074176, 074177, 074179, 074181, 074185, 074186, 074188, 074390, 074391, 074410, 074411, 074412, 074414, 074415, 074417, 074418, 074515, 074516, 074517, 074574, 074577, 074578, 074579, 074582, 074583, 074584, 074588, 074653, 074655, 075200, 075201, 075203, 075204, 075205, 075207, 075208, 075209, 075370, 075373, 075375, 075376, 075377, 075590, 075591, 075592, 075593, 075595, 075597, 075598, 075599, 075710, 075718, 075890, 075891, 075892, 075893, 075898, 075899, 077001, 077442, 077443, 077444, 077445, 077446, 077447, 077448, 077449, 077530, 077552, 077553, 077554, 077555, 078220, 078221, 078222, 078224, 078225, 078226, 078227, 078229, 078644, 078727, 078730, 078744, 078745, 078922, 078925, 078930, 078931, 078933, 078938, 078939, 079112, 079118, 079245, 079780, 079781, 079784, 079785, 079786, 079787, 079789

Now what is interesting is that if you look at the first row they are in sequential order but go to the next line and you are missing 074067 which one would presume is a valid mobile number? I have to say I have never come across this before 🙃

mrjeeves

zedingrove

I'd assume it's a valid 07 mobile number. Only one way to test: try calling one with a goodybag! 😛

There's a whole list of other "premium"(?) number prefixes, such as those for the Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey which are also 01 and 07 numbers but aren't inclusive to call and count under international rates, as well as the 070 personal numbers.

It does humour me that these "special" numbers cost less than normal 07 numbers though!

jarzinio

zedingrove
In your list you have 07747
One my personal mobile numbers has prefix
I can assure you that there are no suspect charges made when any of my contacts calls it
I have loaned that phone out on numerous occasions and I have called it from my other numbers on different networks and it not shown as billed, just straight out of my free minutes

kerrieanne

zedingrove
Non-inclusive calls, texts and services not included in goodybags and charged from credit as below:

Calls and texts to the following prefixes are NOT included in goodybags:
• Calls and texts to Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man landline numbers (see Prefix listings section)
• Calls and texts to Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man mobile numbers
• Calls and texts to non-landline 01 and 02 numbers
• Calls and texts to non-mobile 07 numbers.
Calls and texts to the following premium prefixes are NOT included in goodybags:
• Corporate numbers starting 055
• VoIP numbers starting 056
• Pager numbers starting 076
• The Access Charge element for calls to numbers starting 084, 087, 090, 091, 098, 118
• The Service Charge element for calls to numbers starting 084, 087, 090, 091, 098, 118.
The following services are NOT included in goodybags:
• Speaking clock on 123
• Calls to mobile shortcodes (however, a small number of these numbers are "free-to-caller")
• Sending text messages to mobile shortcodes (however, a small number of these numbers are "free-to-sender").
• Receiving premium text messages from mobile shortcodes
• MMS (picture messaging)
• Video calls
• Calls and texts to non-UK numbers
• Roaming charges while in Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man
• Roaming charges while abroad. *
*Members eligible for Roam Like At Home can use their goodybag in EU and selected destinations, at no extra cost.

harrrrrry

zedingrove you are missing 074067 which one would presume is a valid mobile number?

Presumably yes, because according to Ofcom's S7 database it's allocated:

So far I've not found much about TGL or what it does, apart from its postcode SW1A 1HD

But:

Telecom2 provides "Virtual Mobile numbers" beginning 074 and 075
24 Seven provides "Call Management, Revenue Share and SMS services"

I'd guess the others in that range are charging to receive calls or texts, therefore making them too expensive to include in goodybags. But possibly TGL is charging only normal termination rates and therefore can be included.

Or the more likely explanation ... TGL didn't get its number range allocated until 2015 and therefore did not exist when giffgaff made up its list of excluded calls some time between 2010 and 2014.

zedingrove

mrjeeves no you're missing the point UK mobile numbers start with the prefix 07 unless they have a 0 or a 6 after the 7 which are then classified as personal numbers and subject to premium call rates. Also there is one 5 digit number which is a digit out from my first 5 numbers. What are these numbers, who owns them, what is going on

mrjeeves

zedingrove

075 numbers used to be personal numbers until 2006 when Ofcom opened up unallocated blocks for mobile use. That's why some 075 numbers are premium and some aren't. 071-074 weren't used prior to this.

You can see who owns a specific number block by entering a mobile number inside it here: https://www.syntec.co.uk/who-owns-my-number/

For example, 07755 is owned by "Core Communication Services Ltd.". They seem to provide prepaid SIMs. I don't know why their number block is classed as a special one though.

079784 is owned by "Cheers International Sales Limited." which is actually a dissolved company now.

My number starts 07754 and entering it there I can see it's owned by Telefonica. If you've transferred your number from another network, it'll likely say whoever the number was originally generated by as I think the site used the number blocks to work out who is the owner. The ownership never changes, the license to use it is just transferred.

jaymailsays

zedingrove

070 numbers.

All 070 numbers are inclusive of your goodybag allowances or without a goodybag are charged at 25p/min here on giffgaff.

Previously Networks charged 50p/min but Ofcom withdrew their consent for premium charges for personal numbers. It is Ofcom who control the issue of banks of UK 07 mobile numbers, not the Networks, who then issue them individually to their subscribers.

sloz

zedingrove
Yes that's an odd one,
According to this page
https://www.area-codes.org.uk/mobile/
The number originates from TGL services

I've just tried a text, and is included in a goodybag allowance

johnrooney80

Could possibly be VoiP Apps have some of these numbers, thats why they provide them free, as chargeable to call them..

dez_d

Afternoon @zedingrove
I was just having a look at this guide we have which lists the number from above
https://www.giffgaff.com/help/articles/inclusive-and-non-inclusive-calls-texts-and-services

However, I did notice that we have a listing for the number - 074067

sloz

dez_d
Hi dez does that mean numbers starting 074067 should not be included in a goodybag allowance?

dez_d

According to the guide above then yes sloz

Do you have any info to the contrary?

sloz

dez_d
Earlier I successful sent a text to a number starting 074067
(followed by 5 random numbers)
And wasn't charged from my balance

dez_d

sloz interesting.

You would expect the KB to be correct as it's our forward facing help page. I do find it interesting that @zedingrove's OP doesn't have this listed. I suppose the question is were did this list of numbers come from?

@zedingrove Could you provide a link please so we can look into this a bit closer.

jaymailsays

sloz Earlier I successful sent a text to a number starting 074067
(followed by 5 random numbers)
And wasn't charged from my balance

If you chose 5 random digits, can you be sure that it was a number in service or did you request and receive a delivery report?

sloz

dez_d
On the pricing page
Http://giffgaff.com/index/pricing

If you click the Non-mobile 07 numbers,
That shows the list of numbers posted by the op

dez_d

So we have two sets of differing numbers @sloz & @zedingrove

I'll get this flagged to see if we can get confirmation on which info is correct and get some test done into charges etc.

Dez

jaymailsays

harrrrrry Or the more likely explanation ... TGL didn't get its number range allocated until 2015 and therefore did not exist when giffgaff made up its list of excluded calls some time between 2010 and 2014.

That is plausible as TGL started business on the 4 November 2014 and they have listed as their "Nature of business:- Security systems service activities"

Which suggests they operate in the area of alarms or trackers or personal communications.

sloz

jaymailsays
The last 5 nunbers are irrelevant, the fact is that I started the number with
074067 and I wasn't charged from my balance

jaymailsays

sloz
I was only wondering if the number existed that you texted? If it hadn't yet been issued, then I would presume it wasn't chargeable or included in a goodybag allowance?