Possibly inappropriate (Sexist) emote suggestions.

thunderdragon

Clarification: This thread is meant to highlight an accidental characteristic of the board code which could be misinterpreted by some in a negative fashion. It is a Constructive criticism of the same, and NOT an accusation of deliberate conduct. Thankyou. 😇 👍️

Hi everyone 🙂
Whilst replying to another post, I wanted to include a “Washing Machine” emote if there was one. I normally select/insert my emotes by typing a colon followed by the name of the emote, and as one types the name possible suggestions are highlighted for selection or tab completion.

I’ve just observed that typing :wash (A logical for washing machine) suggests the following emotes: 🙋‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️ 👚 👒 〰️
Obviously: The 1st, second and 4th are gender-biased, and the third is most commonly associated with that gender as well. In both cases it’s making a link between the subjects “wash” and “female”, and this doesn’t really seem appropriate for a community like ours. 😐

…I’d also imagine we have a lot of men who do the laundry in their households, and at least a few ladies who leave operating the washing machine to their partners but know full well how to service and repair them! 👩‍🔧 👍️

Just thought I’d flag it… 😇
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yangki

thunderdragon oh, I didn’t notice about this.

mrjeeves

i_am_sy thunderdragon

In addition…

🙋‍♀️ Is WomAn raiSing Hand
🤷‍♀️ is WomAn SHrugging

keithctaylor

thunderdragon you’ve started something now.
I’ve got a choice of 3 for :iron 👩‍🦰 👩‍🦱 👩‍🦳

endorphin

thunderdragon did you not get the name/description of the emoji when you typed ":wash"?

but I'm not sure how "blouse" fulfills the search terms?!

justeena1

thunderdragon i don’t know

i_am_sy

It’s not sexist, it’s just a rather simple search function, it’s finding those letters in that order hence all the words include “w” “a” “s” “h” in that order.

The exception to that is “Blouse” however that could alternatively be called a “Sweatshirt”

You can test that it fines emoji with alternative words by typing “Was” you’ll see “trashcan” is the first on the list as “Waste Basket” is an alternative name and is picked up by the search term.

thunderdragon

i_am_sy mrjeeves

Oh, I didn’t realise the search function was simply matching letters from left to right. Now you’ve pointed out the workings of it, I see that I can get 🐠 🍹 🤣 (And others) for :train, various woman emotes for a certain expletive beginning with W, and - Amusingly - 🤨 😖 😕 (Contempt, especially) appear if one starts to type :conservative! 😆

That said, I could see this was an accidental product of code rather than anything deliberately orchestrated (Or at least I hope so! 🙏 ) hence why I posted it in the Unexpected Behaviour section. It can always be changed and adjusted around if it’s felt to be inappropriate, but that’s only if enough people regard it an issue needing changing. 😇
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endorphin

i_am_sy The exception to that is “Blouse” however that could alternatively be called a “Sweatshirt”

Now that’s what I call a heuristic search engine!

mrjeeves

keithctaylor

👩‍🦰 = :red_haired_woman:
👩‍🦱 = :curly_haired_woman:
👩‍🦳 = :white_haired_woman:

Are we going to start accommodating high speed trains because :butt gives :bullettrain_side: as an option?

What about :apn which shows 🙎‍♂️ (man pouting)? Are we going to complain that’s not suitable as it could imply that only a man is capable of entering APN settings?

This is simply a search algorithm trying to do its best at finding the right emoji…

mrjeeves

thunderdragon

It’s more difficult than you might think.

All the emoji code is built in to the base flarum repository (flarum/emoji). Changing this could prevent the forum updating easily in the future.

The best option would be switching out the search algorithm in all forums, which I could look into, with something like fuse.js… I’ll have a look.

thunderdragon

mrjeeves All the emoji code is built in to the base flarum repository (flarum/emoji). Changing this could prevent the forum updating easily in the future.

The best option would be switching out the search algorithm in all forums, which I could look into, with something like fuse.js… I’ll have a look.

If it’s an element of the base Flarum repo (Which I understand has been a forum basis for ages) and I’m the first of all Flarum users to notice it, then I guess it’s overall a non-issue. I suppose though this shows the difference in observations between those who are familiar with the inner-workings of the code and those who aren’t! 🖥️ 😃 😇
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i_am_sy

endorphin but I’m not sure how “blouse” fulfills the search terms?!

See my reply above 🙂

keithctaylor

endorphin heuristic

I had to look that up and I’m still not sure! No 🎓️ for me

jaymailsays

👩‍🔧 woman mechanic
👮‍♀️ woman police officer
👩‍🏫 woman teacher

All seems even handed

mrjeeves

jaymailsays

I think male teacher would have been “more necessary”, honestly 😛

jaymailsays

mrjeeves I think male teacher would have been “more necessary”, honestly 😛

Both genders are available if you search for them.
👕 instead of 👚 is there also.