late night pub curfew ruled illegal in Germany

flumina

will the same happen here, I wonder..

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/16/court-overturns-order-to-shut-bars-and-restaurants-in-berlin-at-11pm-13432566/

A Berlin court has overturned an order forcing bars, restaurants and off-licences to close from 11pm to 6am amid the pandemic. Eleven restaurant owners had submitted urgent requests against the curfew, which was introduced by Chancellor Angela Merkel this month.
Today, an administrative court ruled ‘it was not apparent’ that the measure would stop the spread of Covid-19.

It’s about time people started questioning these edicts on legal grounds, IMO. Where is the proof that XYZ will be effective? If there is none, then the government should not be allowed to enshrine it in law.

frenchielove

flumina I do think people get very lax after drinking and that is what worries me. This could open the floodgates though couldn’t it?

giffgafful

Well, alcohol consumption to any greater extent and social distancing are quite clearly not greatly compatible. However, that is completely untied to specific times of day or the venue where such consumption takes place, so the time pubs close is not nearly as important as curbing the degree of alcohol consumption and the resulting lack of social distancing. Maybe breathalyser tests are the way forward? Might be worth a try…

williamwalker

giffgafful
Why not ban alcohol altogether it’s still the biggest killer in this country. 👍

flumina

frenchielove I do think people get very lax after drinking and that is what worries me. This could open the floodgates though couldn’t it?

I must admit I love the peace and quiet of not having to listen to drunks shouting amongst themselves late at night in the pub garden near me. But as far as controlling the virus goes, it seems there’s no proof a curfew will do much.

giffgafful

williamwalker Why not ban alcohol altogether it’s still the biggest killer in this country.

Well, I would not mind that, but South Africa tried banning alcohol sales during lockdowns, and it did not work too well. Places known to have stock of alcohol were robbed, and people started making more alcoholic drinks themselves, e.g. the price of pinapples (e.g. to be left in the sun to ferment into alcohol) increased as a result. That was South Africa though :-))

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8277133/Pineapple-sales-soar-900-South-Africa-amid-alcohol-ban.html

flumina

williamwalker Why not ban alcohol altogether it’s still the biggest killer in this country.

LOL they’ll just start drinking the meths instead

techiebloke

williamwalker Why not ban alcohol altogether it’s still the biggest killer in this country

Depends how much and why you drink.

I will have a couple of pints of real ale or possibly a couple of measures of Jack Daniel’s because I like the taste.

If I start feeling drunk I’ll switch to something like Orange Juice as being drunk detracts from the taste of the alcoholic beverage I’ve been enjoying.

I also want to maintain awareness of my surroundings and my aim is never to get as drunk as possible as quickly as possible,

Regarding the subject of the thread, I understand the feelings of the bar owners as I do here but those that are drunk are not likely to observe distancing.

miche22542

People definitely let their guard down when they’ve had a drink. Keep safe. 🤗🌈

baconbutty

Giving people less time to drink makes pubs more crowded they should be open 24 hours a day imho.

keithctaylor

My experience in recent weeks is that most bar staff and managers are very good with nipping antisocial behaviour in the bud. After all, they risk losing their licence. Especially as council officials are running regular checks.
The odd exceptions have been inexperienced managers. But I avoid those once I’ve seen them.

standardbearer

Oh that sounds a great idea drinking until 6am in the morning even before a virus ..
What’s the German version of alcoholics anonymous.
Operation Liver

flumina

standardbearer
Funnily enough you don’t really get this kind of binge-drinking culture over there. People go in to bars, have a chat with their friends, have a bite to eat and a drink, it’s generally quite civilised.

I don’t know why we Brits can’t drink without getting hammered, and behaving like idiots.

standardbearer

flumina standardbearer
Funnily enough you don’t really get this kind of binge-drinking culture over there. People go in to bars, have a chat with their friends, have a bite to eat and a drink, it’s generally quite civilised.

I don’t know why we Brits can’t drink without getting hammered, and behaving like idiots.

Have you ever drunk German Beer most of it is quite strong.
I’ve seen plenty of Germans in Spain boozing it up. Maybe they just save it for their holidays.
Seems to me though most Germans would prefer to be tucked up in bed rather than drinking until 6am in the morning. You’ve got to be addicted to
do that as a regular.
Won’t get many VW or BMW built like that.

edwd

It is well proven that alcohol lowers inhibitions and increases close contact between individuals.

keithctaylor

edwd It is well proven that alcohol lowers inhibitions and increases close contact between individuals.

I’m familiar with many of those studies. Though at my last look, the consensus view was that these are tendencies rather than absolutes. So I would be interested to see if those tendencies are stronger or weaker in the context of different levels of COVID 19 restrictions.

Anecdotally, I have seen most sensible people continuing to drink responsibly. But as ever it is always the irresponsible minority that drive the news headlines.

dolly247

edwd we’ve all witnessed the I love you, man.. Drunk talking to the lamp post after arguing with it for five minutes for bumping him. 😂 x