I posted an idea about ensuring that SIMs aren't needlessly expired but need some clarification from giffgaff as to how the current system works.
There is a mismatch between the official word that unactivated SIMs expire after 6 (sometimes 9) months and what actually happens (I've had SIM activated well over a year after I received them and as recently as March this year).
|SIM given||07 Feb 2012||xxxxxxxx||08 Mar 2013|
So I really don't think that SIMs do expire at the moment and also query why they should anyway?
I've always thought that the numbers aren't allocated until they are activated so what other reasons would there be for expiring unactivated SIMs?
I suspect unused SIMs are already being needlessly thrown away because people think they expire after 6 months. Those in the know can use the SIM checker to see if it's still live and safe to give out but most will simply end up in the bin (not very green)
I'm thinking that this needs sorting out once and for all and would appreciate an official response as to whether SIMs really do expire now or will do in the future (it maybe that they used not to and therefore older SIMs can work but newer ones might not after 6 months).
If they now do expire then why? as would it not be much more environmentally friendly to have unexpiring unactivated SIMs or at least a mechanism (thanks cim) to keep SIMs active if they haven't yet been handed out.
So giffgaff in order to properly propose an idea on maintaining live unactivated SIMs and sort out the confiction of what the t&cs say and what actually happens, can I have answers to the following questions please.
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Thanks for your input khairul (and for supporting the idea ). I saw your post about the really old SIM activation and I wonder whether ANYONE has actually found a SIM that has failed to activate at any time due to it expiring (I've not seen a confirmed case tbh).
The good news is that there should be a way of ensuring that the SIMs never expire (in real terms) from what guru posted but it does need to be planned for as they will need to recoup those numbers some time in the future.
I only keep a small stock of SIMs as I'm worried that at some point they will expire (numbers recouped) and recently lost out on a request for 4 SIMs because of that.
Boys and Girls, Let me kick the confusion out of this thread.
To confirm, the SIMs never expire, unless they have already been activated, or they are really old pre 2G era SIMs (which if you find one, please post it to me for my collection ).
What we are doing as part of MSISDN Reuse Project is to disassociate the MSISDN from preactivated SIMs older than a certain period. It wouldn't stop you to activate those SIMs, as a new MSISDN will get dynamically allotted to it. The only downside to this process is that it would take comparatively longer for a dynamic activation to go through. Our tests have shown that the dynamic activatiion takes on an average 2 hours.
So the moral of the story, we are trying to recycle the MSISDN to control the costs and to be Green. But please dont throw away older SIMs, as they won't expire. (4G may eventually expire them, just as 3G expired 2G SIMs)
Hi Bertie ... I'd be interested to find out "the truth" about this ...
But one thing puzzles me?? ...
Shouldn't this have been posted before the idea??
At the minute your idea is sitting on the boards but has no concrete evidence that would back up your reasons for its posting and / or the proposed changes?
Once clarification is provided, I'll happily support it though ... good to be green
Yes I agree that really I should have posted it in contribute first though my proposal is to always ensure that SIMs don't get needlessly expired whatever the current/future system is doing/going to do.
A backwards approach and yesterday I had a good reason for doing it (but for life of me now I can't think why I didn't post it here first).
If as pjr and solid have suggested that numbers are pre-allocated on the SIMs then this is going to be trickier as now I understand why they would now expire if this blog also covered unactivated SIMs also. http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Blog/Recycling-mobile-numbers-giffgaff/ba-p/8211666
Recycling old mobile phone numbers will affect numbers that we consider inactive, so this will only impact you if you have a phone with an activated giffgaff SIM that hasn’t been used in six months.
I can't remember who solid contacted but I believe it was an educator who then looked into it further before replying. Maybe solid will see this thread and pop in
Thanks pjr and I will send him a PM as he already commented on the idea saying he had received that information (but he wasn't convinced it was right).
It seems a very sensible idea to NOT allocate numbers to the SIMs so as not to waste them by expiring them and I always thought they were allocated by the activation process but this of course need absolute clarification.