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Maybe it is Racism/Xenophobia

Started by: k89bpa
On: 20/01/2019 | 22:11
Replies: 100
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by: standardbearer
on: 22/01/2019 | 07:04 edited: 22/01/2019 | 07:21

@nefarius wrote:

The leave side voted as individuals not a collective. They didn't converse with each other and decide to all vote for a particular reason. To state that leave was founded on racism and / or xenophobia is a generalisation. 

 

Thank you

And its a generalisation by quite a few who voted to remain.

An old chesnut

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Message 51 of 101
by: extreme_one
on: 22/01/2019 | 07:45

It is amusing, how frequently we hear claims that "my vote wasn't about racism" instead of what that person's vote was about.

 

And yet, the most often reasons we have heard go along the lines of "immigrants taking our jobs and driving down wages", "immigrant criminal gangs", "the NHS buckling under the strain of medical immigrants" and "taking control of our borders" etc. etc.

 

 

Lord Ashcroft's election day poll of 12,369 voters also discovered that 'One third (33%) [of leave voters] said the main reason was that leaving "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders."

 

 

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by: standardbearer
on: 22/01/2019 | 08:02
Its amazing how some people think they know how others think.
A shady area.
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Message 53 of 101
by: majorincident
on: 22/01/2019 | 08:21

@standardbearer wrote:

Ok so I voted to leave so I must be a racist.
What a narrow minded opinion

Why are you attempting to put on a jacket that doesn't fit?  What I don't see from Leave voters is an acknowledgement that an element of the vote was purely based on immigration. 

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Message 54 of 101
by: baconbutty
on: 22/01/2019 | 08:55

@cordlesswill wrote:

I want England to win the world cup,am I racist or xenophobic?

No just deluded... IMHO

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Message 55 of 101
by: piethorne
on: 22/01/2019 | 22:00

Ah yes, the vituperative "racist xenophobe" diatribe - you're are all SO predictable...

 

https://community.giffgaff.com/t5/General-Discussion/Immigration-and-the-UK-population-explosion/td-...

 

Message 56 of 101
by: nefarius
on: 22/01/2019 | 22:11 edited: 22/01/2019 | 22:12

What does "all" mean? @piethorne

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Message 57 of 101
by: basil1921
on: 22/01/2019 | 23:24
'Why? The lack of any attempt to form a coherent argument to explain why they voted the way they did.'

'Have you tried reading any of the objections to the EU from the left? I doubt it. The thing about Hard Remainers is that they seem remarkably ignorant about the anti-capitalist objections to the EU neo-liberal project. Fortunately, people in the RU itself have begun to wake up to it.

'The Left Case Against the EU by Costas Lapavitsas, a Soas economics professor, takes issue with the idea that the EU is all about cooperation and togetherness, a borderless paradise of interrailing and Erasmus schemes.

'The EU, Lapavitsas argues, is not a nation state that the left could battle to capture and then shape the way it is run. Rather, it is a transnational juggernaut geared to neoliberalism.

'The European left’s “attachment to the EU as an inherently progressive development prevents it from being radical, and indeed integrates it into the neoliberal structures of European capitalism”, Lapavitsas says. “The left has become increasingly cut off from its historic constituency, the workers and the poor of Europe, who have naturally sought a voice elsewhere.”

'This seems a pretty accurate assessment. The European left sees the EU as promoting democracy, egalitarianism and social liberalism, but the reality is somewhat different. The four pillars of the single market – free movement of goods, services, people and money – are actually the axioms of market fundamentalism, which is why Mrs Thatcher supported its creation. Meanwhile, the European court of justice has gradually turned itself into a body that enforces a free-market view of the world, placing more and more restrictions on the freedom of member states to make their own economic decisions.'

Hard Remainers always fall back on the idea that they are in some way 'nice people' without ever looking into the reality of the EU project.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/30/leftwing-brexiters-want-out-from-the-transnational-...
Message 58 of 101
by: basil1921
on: 22/01/2019 | 23:27
'It is amusing, how frequently we hear claims that "my vote wasn't about racism" instead of what that person's vote was about.'

Perhaps in your self-righteous Remainer redoubt you've never listened to any objections to the EU neo-liberal project, particularly from the left. Try this:

'Costas Lapavitsas, an economics professor at London University (SOAS), is bravely trying to educate the British Left. His book - The Left Case Against The EU - argues that the Social Chapter of the Delors era has long since given way to “institutionalised austerity”, with a Europe divided between a rich core and a pauperised South, and under the thumb of “German industrial export capitalists”.

'Monetary union in particular is the coercive whip of the ascendant ideology. “The euro has been an outstanding instrument for imposing discipline on workers,” he writes.

'Prof Lapavitsas was briefly a Syriza MP and witness to the failed Greek Spring. He argues that politics as we normally know it is impossible in the EU. The Left is wasting its time thinking it can change anything by democratic activism. “It is a transnational juggernaut. Neoliberalism has become EU the credo. Capital wins at every major turn,” he said.

'His warning to Jeremy Corbyn is that EU rules on state aid, public procurement, and nationalisation would make it impossible to carry out his industrial policies. “These are not minor issues. They lie at the heart of any attempt to transform Britain’s economy in a socialist direction,” he said.'

Message 59 of 101
by: k89bpa
on: 22/01/2019 | 23:34

@basil1921 wrote:


Perhaps in your self-righteous Remainer redoubt you've never listened to any objections to the EU neo-liberal project, particularly from the left. 

*sigh*

 

@basil1921 wrote:

Perhaps in your self-righteous Remainer redoubt you've never listened to any objections to the EU neo-liberal project, particularly from the left.

*sigh*

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