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What happens to the asylum seekers

Started by: contro
On: 30/12/2018 | 16:00
Replies: 34
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by: taniabarnet
on: 30/12/2018 | 17:53
They are seized by Customs and then auctioned off.
Message 21 of 35
by: standardbearer
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:13

@andyslc wrote:

@standardbearer In terms of what they get they will be housed if needed but they won’t get a choice of where or type of housing. Could be flat, house, but more likely hostel, b&b. If they accept the offer of housing the get a prepayment card with £35.39 a week on it. If they refuse the offer of housing they get nowt. Soldiers being homeless on the street is not the fault of asylum seekers but government failings and a more complex set of problems and reasons than the argument of it being unfair because of asylum seekers portrays. At the beginning of 2018 it was estimated that 13,000 ex soldiers were homeless and almost all had PTSD. The lack of appropriate support rather than lack of housing is the main cause of homelessness amongst soldiers. 

 

@contro As for the boats, more than likely stolen by criminal gangs running the routes. Generally nobody will be getting on these boats without paying the gangs. Anyone trying to take their own boat without going through the gangs risks a pretty nasty beating/death at the hands of the gangs. These crossings aren’t opportune in the main. It’s a criminal enterprise and it’s not always just run from the French side. 

 

If they dont don’t make it across they will have lost any money paid to the gangs and go to the back of the queue until more money can be extorted. Gangs also run the lorry attempts at the Channel Tunnel and Calais. In some cases gangs will extort families in the country of origin for more cash. 

 

The recent surge in crossing is extremely worrying for several reasons and successful crossings will only feed the situation. The problem is that the French don’t really have much of an incentive to stop them. The French Police will do what they can but with the ongoing social unrest and terrorist situation their resources are probably limited. That doesn’t help us much when they get within our waters, Troublesome and only a matter of time before people die (if they have not already by disapppearing under the bow of a tanker which wouldnt even notice)

@andyslc

Andy whowh blaming the asylum seekers.

If I was in their position id be prepared to not stop at the first safe country but cross many eu countries to get to good old Blighty. 

Not only should they have taken asylum elsewhere but as a last resort with no further land to go they should be French Citizens. The French not being daft dont want a burden on their coffers.

I blame the defence department for the soldiers and other things for the other homeless.

But this does not alter the fact that asylum seekers get preference. And if they do accept our generosity there getting a roof over their heads, a pretty good deal. Better than a lot of Citizens already living here.

What the Soldiers and other homeless should do is sit in a dingy 200 yards off the coast of Dover and wait to be picked up and claim asylum. 

There will always be wars and yes some with our beloved leaders with fingers in the pie. Nothing to do with Joe Public.

We cannot be the safe haven for all those warzones or future ones or political persecution. We have a small landmass without resources and rely on imported food as we are not self sufficient.

One day imports will cease and we will.not be able to produce food on all that farmland sold off for housing. But that's to come later. 

One source of food that could have been self sufficient is our coastal waters. But alas by then the good old eu will have sucked our waters dry.

Still there's no harm in dieting.

Fortune Favours The Brave S.P.Q.R
Message 22 of 35
by: slarti
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:19

@contro wrote:

Boats they've been arriving in over last few days.

I wonder who owns them?

 

They look ok

The boats are brand new, purchased by the people smugglers with some of the money - €thousands per person - that they are paying. So somebody in France is making a good profit on lots of extra sales of dingys, which the French could stop, if they wanted to.

 

As for the people, if they get to this country and are not picked up, they wander off into the night.

 

If they are picked up they are placed into detention centres while their cases are considered and if they can't prov where they came from, there they stay, unless they say they came from somewhere where we think that they would not be in danger, then we ship them home.

Message 23 of 35
by: standardbearer
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:22 edited: 30/12/2018 | 18:23

@majorincident wrote:

@contro: the vessels are barely seaworthy and is probably no more than kindling by the end of the journey.

@standardbearer: re-read the original post.

Major the topic states What happens to Asylum Seekers.

The first post talks about the boats.

Ive answered the topic not the post.

Fortune Favours The Brave S.P.Q.R
Message 24 of 35
by: slarti
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:23

@contro wrote:

Boats they've been arriving in over last few days.

I wonder who owns them?

 

They look ok

 

Boats.

I think that they are confiscated and destroyed, so that they don't get back to France to be used again.

Message 25 of 35
by: nefarius
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:28

Who owns them? That's about right! 

Get a free giffgaff Sim
Message 26 of 35
by: farnis
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:29 edited: 30/12/2018 | 19:13

They just get to stay here at the taxpayers expense. They offer nothing to benefit the UK.

Message 27 of 35
by: xxeclairexx
on: 30/12/2018 | 18:44

Me and my partner were talking about this his Afghani but his family now live in Iran, there is no problem of war going on there is lots of sanctions so things are expensive thats the only reason we can think that people are comming its becomming impossible for people to live there.

 

What happens to them is they try to claim asylum they will either be excepted or rejected if they have attempted this before and have finger prints in othet countrys they will be sent back to the country where they have fingerprints one thing for sure it was definatly an expensive trip for them would of cost atleast a few thousand pounds.

Message 28 of 35
by: andyslc
on: 30/12/2018 | 19:11

@standardbearer Just a few quick points as I don’t want to derail the thread:

 

Asylum seekers arrive here for a reason - typically because we have connections going back decades to some of the countries, English is more commonly spoken and many EU countries conveniently let them disappear back into the smuggling routes/black economy. The black economy being something we really need to get a grip on in this country not just a European problem.

 

They don’t get a better deal than citizens living here - £37 per week isn’t really worth the risks unless you have no choice.(again stamping in the black economy will reduce the attraction - in a way we are victims of our own economic success ie the U.K. is more attractive because there is the possibility of employment)

 

We aren’t a safe haven for all of them but we have international legal obligations regarding asylum processing. Our asylum intake has dropped significantly with the introduction of juxtaposed controls and carriers liability, getting here is not easy. You need to see that first hand to really understand it.

 

Those that do have a 1/3 chance of asylum (2017 figures) at first application. Of those successful about 1/3 are children. 14, 700 people in 2017 isn’t a great number on the scheme of things.

 

Regarding the fishing rights and quotas you should look into how our government has carved this up amongst just a few wealthy owners. 1/3 of our quota is held by 5 families on the Sunday Times rich list, and in England 80% of the quota is held by foreign owners or domestic Rich list families. 2/3 of the U.K. quota is held by 25 businesses, more than half of whom were linked to one of the biggest overfishing scams to reach U.K. courts. The U.K. quota is distrivpbute by the British government.

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Message 29 of 35
by: k89bpa
on: 30/12/2018 | 19:56
Ooooooooh, now I get it! Sorry @contro :-D
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