I don't think anyone is saying charges should be waived.   But in the same way GG can afford to have unlimited for £10.   The question is, can giffgaff afford to let us have unlimited (for a day or a month) once they have made enough to cover costs and margin through per MB.    £15 for a month being significantly higher than £10 so that those expecting to use that much would still feel inclined to buy the goodybag (which also includes minutes and texts).   Don't know the internals, but giffgaff are making more revenue from the £15 cap than if they got a £10 bundle and in both cases offering unlimited internet.   The daily cap is essentially following the same logic over a shorter timeframe...   Once people see there are some safety valves in place: They are more inclined to signup. They are more inclined to put larger amounts into the kitty. Less frequent larger payments also reduce costs associates with processing each transaction etc. and increases cashflow. Having people leave larger amounts in the kitty also improves retention.   All fairly logical I think. ... View more

But would it be viable to add a worst case overall per day and/or per month cap. e.g.. Will never cost more than (Max cost) say £1.50 a day or £15 a month (Unlimited data) ? ... View more

Hi Vincent,   Good to see you responding to the feedback.   I think most people figured something was being considered since the post May 25th prices were accidently missed off the prices page :)   I think that your new proposals will capture a bigger portion of the very light to light users. So overall a thumbs up.   Along the lines of what someone has suggested, If you could stretch that 30MB to 50MB it would probably make a big difference. The 30MB limit probably still triggers "must be careful with data" alarm bells at the back of the mind.   I also think it would help if you could give additional unlimited data daily caps and monthly caps. It may sound complicated, but it could be sold simply as "We will never charge you more than x for data a day or y for data in a month".   It just gives everyone a reassurance that if they lose the plot (accidently start downloading from iPlayer), they won't end up spending silly money. e.g. Never more than £1 a day or £15 in a calendar month (I'd say less, but then it imposes on £10 goody bag...)   None of this would work for me by the way (moderate user. Typical 100MB-300MB a month. Will probably go Three or TMobile), but it is interesting and hence the feedback.   As an aside, have you looked at it from another angle as well. i.e. What "can" we offer (pure data) in a £2.50/£5 goody bag. Would it be something people would like... ... View more

  gobelge wrote: I guess we're all different and Giffgaff doesn't suit us all, but then it seems to suit the majority of us which is great.   Speaking for myself, from June onwards, I will be paying:   £40/year to T-Mobile for virtually unlimited data £0/year to Three for unlimited Skype ~£30/year to Giffgaff for calls and texts. plus the cost of charging these three phones minus some reward money from Giffgaff.   For a low-caller/texter like me, this turns out to be significantly cheaper than the £120 it would cost me to buy 12 x £10 Giffgaff goodybags, and for those savings I'm happy to carry an additional phone with the T-Mobile SIM in. In fact I just ordered that SIM, I'll try it for a day first to see how bad the image compression really is.   By the way, are we no longer campaigning for lower data prices now? It seems that Giffgaff has abandoned the idea of a £5 monthly cap / data goodybag, but do people still want a lower per-MB-charge and/or daily cap? And @Vincent, is this realistic?   Unless something changes (for me of giffgff) the giffgaff sim will be occasional, emergency spare sim. If I ever decide I could do with 100 mins each month, then the £10 deal looks good value (others are not that different to what you can get elsewhere on 30 day rolling sim. pros/cons).   Once my Three dongle sim runs out (working well in the Nexus), not sure if I will go with TMobile (£20 6 months) or go for another 12 month three dongle (£80 for 12 GB a year inc. tethering).   As for per MB data, without the £5 cap it is no good to me unless it drops to 1p per MB or something very close to that. It seems unlikely to happen. Something higher might be ok for others.   Only other thing for me, would be a 20p daily cap. That gives £6 a month so probably still ruled out... ... View more

Just tried my 3 dongle sim in the Nexus. Working great for data.I think this will be the way to go for me come 25th May. Both phone and tethering all in. Why pay for 2 sims... ... View more

For those interested in skype, it works well if you have an appropriate phone.   I have a Nokia N82 at home which we use for all outgoing landline calls. £3.50 any time unlimited a month.   With an Android phone it is not so good, since you have to use a 3rd party client. Still a bit rough, but getting better. Three client does not let you make UK calls (what did you expect).   Mobile calls are a bit pricey though. 16p per min I think. ... View more

  trick202 wrote: Zuber:   You have a Nexus, and you only want to use tiny amounts of data?   Man, isn't that like buying a tank and using it once a week to go to Tesco?   How do you like it by the way? For you guys with different phones and numbers, google voice will really help you out if it ever comes to Blighty. Thanks to a miraculous new invention. "WiFi"     Really, Three topups do the job most of the time. Occasionally (going to be away for a while) buy the £5 bundle...   Just wanted the option of cheaper calls without using the work mobile. Work are ok about it, but still feels a bit "wrong". Now it means swaping over to giffgaff sim... Good for emergency (no three reception). ... View more

Thanks for the feedback gobelge.   Already got a 3 PAYG sim. I alternate between using 150MB free allowance and buying a £5 goodybag/bundle depending on what I am going to be upto.   I just had "another" idea. Anyone know if you can use the SIM from a Dongle inside a phone ?   For data or send/recieve calls ?   That way, I can leave the dongel sim in my Nexus and use it for "tethering" or take it out and put it back in the dongle.   I got one with 12GB for use within a year for around £90. Only snag is, I would have to change umber each year. But as I use the other phone for calls, it ould work. ... View more

  trick202 wrote: Always with the negative waves...........   He clearly states in all his messages regarding the £5 data bundle that THEY ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE CHATTER FOR DATA RATES.   "Not being able to afford it" is hardly the case either. It's not economically viable. It's a business decision, pure and simple - not something to sulk about.   What on Earth are you talking about trick202 ?   To quote Vincent. --- Status changed to: Not DSuitable Hi all, it is simply not posiible for us to offer a £5 (or lower) internet bundle as it would cost us more than the initial £5 we'd get from you. Data is still really quite expensive to the networks, as it is something that is still being heavily invested in (the networks themselves) which pushing the price itself up. Because of this cost, it makes this idea unsuitable. --- He is clearly saying no £5 or below bundles. It would cost giffgaff more than the initial £5 they would get from us. i.e. They would not make money on it. i.e Not affordable. Yes it is a business decision. Pure and Simple. Based on the fact that they cant afford it ! Its good that you are happy with what is being offered. But many of us were hoping for something else and so were/are pushng for it. You wanted focus, I am pointing out what is not possible, so the focus can be on what is possible. If you wish to be a cheerleader, that is fine. Just accept that not everyone agrees with you and should be able to express that without you putting there suggestions down all the time. ... View more

It looks like we are not going to see any Data Bundles for £5 or less.   Feedback from Vincent posted on my £2.50 100MB thread. See comment 3 here.   Oh well...   I guess the next question must be whether we are likely to get any improvement on the perMB\daily cap rate.   Given that giffgaff cannot afford to offer a £5 data bundle, I suspect that is going to be a dead end/disappointment as well. Hope I turn out to be wrong...   It looks like its back to Three come the 25th May with giffgaff sim for emergencies. You guys got any other alternative operator suggestion ?     ... View more

So what we need is an election   Do we go for First Past the post   Or one of those where you rank each one in and dismiss least popular each time till only 1 is left. ?   Problem is, as mentioned. Without giffgaff feedback, we might dismiss the only viable one... ... View more

I know what you are saying about so many suggestions etc. but...   Thing is, I could live with any one of several suggestions made here.   Be it £5 Unlimited Goody Bag   Flat 1p/MB   50p/Day capped at £5 per month   Or my latest compromise/combo proposal   £2.50 100MB Goody Bag with 1p per MB after you run out (more detail here)   If giffgaff were to adopt any one (or more) of these, I'd be ok with it.   None of us have any idea what is viable/interesting for giffgaff and so it's very hard for us to focus on and refine these unless we get specific direction/feedback from giffgaff.   My latest £2.50 suggestion is an attempt at combining and refining. Trying to come up with something that would satisfy all parties (giffgaff included) in a single hit.   But it is still just based on speculating that a straight 1p/MB option would not be financially viable because of the overhead of dealing with bills of a few pence. But it is just speculation at the end of the day and that is all we can do...   I think (and it is just my opinion) when you say   "The fact that there are so many different iterations of a "solution" for low end data users would suggest to me that GG got it right."   it is an incorrect interpretation.   Hopefully giffgaff spot some things they like and offer them. Preferably before 25th May so as to retain a much larger portion of those attracted by the initial free data offering. ... View more

  trick202 wrote: Well Zuber, the five pounds sterling comes into play when you have lots of people willing to pay five pounds sterling for unlimited data. Keeping up so far?   If you add an additional five pounds sterling to the five pounds sterling people are happy to pay, you get to TEN pounds sterling. I know, good isn't it?   That gives you the amazing opportunity to get unlimited data and texts, AND 100 Earth minutes - for (wait for for it): Five additional pounds of the sterling variety.   That's it really. Simplez   17 pence per day. That's what we're talking about here.       Oh I see. Still talking about the £5 bundle. I thought the focus was now on the 50p/MB.   I guess it depends on how you look at it. I suspect light users that wouldn't use features other than data would express it as:   Expecting me to pay twice as much each month. ... View more

  trick202 wrote: And if, after that vote, another option is implemented, and yet more people visit the forums to complain?   What then?   More bundles? More voting?   Come on. We're talking about a difference of a fiver a month here - at most! 17p a day??????   I thought the problem was you could end up paying £15 a month unless you bought a bundle for not doing very much.   Not sure I follow how that equates to the £5 difference ?  ... View more

There have been posts from giffgaff towers saying keep the feedback coming in etc.   It would be good to get some sort of feedback in terms of what is/isn't plausable, been considered etc.   Problem is, as soon as giffgaff do that, we start demanding...   I'm working on the basis that if we are going to see further changes soon then it will be before the 25th May or something will be announced by that point.   If not, then there isn't any reason not to assume changes might not happen for months.and I'll probably just be putting my 3 sim back in and using the giffgaff sim for emergency/longer calls. Worst case, it does make a good backup sim. ... View more

I think this idea is a little different to the rest and so might just fly...   £2.50 Goody bag gets you first 100MB free and then additional data costs 1p/MB   I've posted on the new idea section if you want to vote/comment on it   http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Submit-Great-giffgaff-Ideas/2-50-100MB-Goody-Bag-with-1p-per-MB-after-you-run-out/idi-p/10998 ... View more